He got it just right. Graysmith has alluded to "records" kept by officials which named those at the lake that day although no such records were ever kept and did not exist. FACT CHECK: Toschi, Bawart and Conway may have believed that Arthur Leigh Allen was the Zodiac but the facts strongly indicate that he was innocent and the San Francisco and Vallejo police departments did not endorse Allen as a viable suspect after the DNA, handwriting, fingerprint and even palm print comparisons had excluded Allen as a suspect. Official documents and media interviews, as well as the expert's family, demonstrate that Morrill's opinions never changed throughout his many years on the case. In 1976, Graysmith obtained a copyright for his own book about the Zodiac case. The size of the gloves indicates that the killer left the gloves behind to mislead investigators or that the gloves belonged to someone other than the killer and are not related to the crime. FACT CHECK: In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith presented his proposed solution to the Zodiac's unsolved 340 symbol cipher. In his answer here, Graysmith stated: "David Fincher has carried the case forward by locating statements by the Washington and Stine witness and the officer who passed Zodiac who identified Allen as the man they saw." He died in 1992 of a heart attack. According to Graysmith, the Zodiac used handwriting samples obtained from several different people and an enlarger/projector in order to fabricate his handwriting style. According to the SFPD, Graysmith's claims are false and no DNA tests ever produced any results which matched Allen or any other suspect. The pumpkin on the front covering the pelvis of the printed skeleton and the brushwork and skeleton on the interior were drawn by Zodiac, cut out with an X-acto knife and other lettering done with brush. "Just under the dash, Toschi found a pair of dull-black leather gloves. It is unlikely, if not implausible, that the Zodiac used a projector on this occasion. Click here for more info on Zodiac suspects. They were soaked with blood but were too small for a man. Graysmith has never produced any evidence to support his claim that the boy had identified Allen as the man he had seen at Lake Berryessa on the day of the Zodiac attack. Fincher has 3100 pounds of photos, records and audio tapes, many of which I provided. None of the witnesses ever described the Zodiac as Graysmith did: 6 feet tall, 230lbs, and balding. Graysmith's description matches his suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, and not the man seen by witnesses in the Zodiac case. FACT CHECK: See FACT CHECK for the next question. The pumpkin on the front covering the pelvis of the printed skeleton and the brushwork and skeleton on the interior were drawn by Zodiac, cut out with an X-acto knife and other lettering done with brush. Allen's father Ethan died in 1971, shortly before Allen became a suspect. Same with the Bob Vaughan scene. Bawart told me that if they had a cell phone they would have had Zodiac. I saw Allen in person often after my meeting him at Ace Hardware, but this was tailing and at night. Surviving victim Michael Mageau described the suspect at the Blue Rock Springs Park shooting as a "WMA, short, possible 5'8', was real heavy set, beefy build... not blubbery fat, but real beefy, possibly 195 to 200 [lbs] or maybe even larger... short curly hair, light brown almost blond... with a large face." Leigh Allen was on a typewritten guest list of I think 14 people that the police hand. Robert Graysmith: Some DNA testing was done in 1988. After several Zodiac letters had arrived at the offices of The San Francisco Chronicle, the newspaper staff was instructed that touching the letters and envelopes could damage fingerprint evidence and they were asked to not to handle the letters. They replace one with the other. Whereas, Bryan Hartnell, the stabbing victim, survived and prospered. Sgt Lynch and put together a composite drawing. FACT CHECK: Toschi, Bawart and Conway may have believed that Arthur Leigh Allen was the Zodiac but the facts strongly indicate that he was innocent and the San Francisco and Vallejo police departments did not endorse Allen as a viable suspect after the DNA, ... Robert Graysmith: Bob Vaughn, though I have never used his name in print. Fouke never identified Allen. Graysmith and the movie greatly exaggerated Avery's problems and behavior in order to fuel the myth that the case somehow destroyed his career and life when, in fact, this was not true. If Morrill actually believed that Graysmith's projector theory was true, he would not continue to exclude or include suspects based on their handwriting. FACT CHECK: None of the many witnesses who reportedly saw the Zodiac had ever described the suspect as "balding." I am satisfied that Dave Toschi, Bawart, Capt. The book was not widely available then so that was not why they became copycats. In the film, Avery's boss takes him to task, citing the reporter's kook-like letter to the Department of Justice on Chronicle letterhead, in which Avery asks to be appointed the head of the Zodiac investigation. Graysmith has never produced any evidence to support his claim that the boy had identified Allen as the man he had seen at Lake Berryessa on the day of the Zodiac attack. Graysmith has also claimed that San Francisco police discovered a map of Lake Berryessa during the search of Allen's trailer and that this map was signed by the suspect. Several work very well. Long after I published my first book, we had Zodiac copycats in New York and Japan. The boy at Lake Berryessa, Sept. 27, 1969, told me when I found him, "Man, I thought they caught that dude. Robert Graysmith: Until I saw Jake's performance I didn't know how deferential I was or how consumed by Zodiac. It's a thrill to be interviewed by readers of the Washington Post, my favorite of all newspapers. Mike Mageau, the surviving victim from the July 4, 1969 shooting at Blue Rock Springs, was hospitalized with pins in his legs and wounds to his face and neck. FACT CHECK: The handwriting experts which Fincher consulted did not conclude that Allen wrote the Zodiac letters, so Graysmith's distortion is just another instance in which he twists the facts to make his suspect seem guilty. If Toschi knew that the size seven gloves were too small to belong to the killer or Allen, Toschi would not have any reason to say that Allen had the same gloves size as the Zodiac. No one saw the shooter on Lake Herman Road so no description exists. Yes all the top ten suspects have been applied to the codes. On October 6, 1969, just months after the shooting at Blue Rock Springs Park, Allen was interviewed by a Vallejo detective who described the suspect as "6'1", 241 (lbs), heavy build and is bald." The last known Zodiac crime occurred in 1969, and the last authenticated letter was sent in 1974. When you are in the grip of it you don't know. Did he talk to you much about him playing you in the movie? This individual was identified and authorities concluded that he was not the Zodiac. Fincher has 3100 pounds of photos, records and audio tapes, many of which I provided. Graysmith has repeatedly claimed that Arthur Leigh Allen was at Lake Berryessa on the day of the Zodiac attack there yet he has never produced any evidence to support this claim. Graysmith claimed that "the book was not widely available then so that was not why they became copycats." FACT CHECK: Graysmith is entitled to his opinions. A task force would have been formed and the superior forensics would have ended his career before it began. While Graysmith did change "some dates" in his first book, more often that not he did so in order to make his suspect appear guilty. Very seriously, as well as Anton LeVey's Church of Satan. That is why I have always thought the American public should be enlisted to solve difficult crimes. It has been nearly 40 years. I am still getting calls at midnight from them about documents and dates--I have boxes to the ceiling of my studio filling one entire wall two layers deep, and I say, " Guys, the movie is done. The witnesses at the Stine scene never identified Allen. Toschi and Armstrong both stated, in public and in private interviews, that the fingerprint and handwriting evidence would identify the Zodiac long after both fingerprint and handwriting evidence had excluded Allen as a suspect. You are a cartoonist or not. I guess since handwriting cleared so many back then, they were not viable suspects by the time they got around to asking. Fincher never uncovered such statements. If not, why? I never told anyone. FACT CHECK: Graysmith's claims regarding Allen as a cartoonist have never been substantiated and he has never produced any drawings allegedly made by the suspect. View photos of real weddings at TheKnot.com. # 17 - Los Angeles, Calif.: The film, and the people portrayed, seem very aware of the role media can play in generating "copy cat" killers. Was his life somewhat ruined by the murder of his girlfriend and his personal injury? What a great movie! Det. Did he ever wear glasses? Graysmith's book was also available in Japan at the time that the Japanese copycat Zodiac first appeared. Zodiac 3 John Lacy. The writing on Bryan Hartnell's car door is unmistakably similar to the Zodiac's handwriting, and Morrill himself concluded that the Zodiac was responsible for that message. FACT CHECK: The film ZODIAC presented a distorted and largely fictionalized portrayal of Paul Avery. If Toschi knew that the size seven gloves were too small to belong to the killer or Allen, Toschi would not have any reason to say that Allen had the same gloves size as the Zodiac. Give it a try. This conclusion was based in large part on Mageau's statements during his identification, his conflicting description and the fact that Mageau had admittedly seen the killer's face only for an instant more than two decades before he identified Allen as the shooter. Mark Ruffallo simple became Toschi. In his answer here, Graysmith once again created his own facts and evidence in order to make his suspect seem guilty. Add your comment below to get this discussion started! The earliest date for any police interest in Allen was October 1969, one month AFTER the attack at Lake Berryessa. "The trailer search continues as the inspectors find two windbreakers. In Graysmith's fantasy version of the facts, someone could have touched the letters and left their DNA on the paper, and this explained why later DNA testing did not match Allen. It is unlikely, if not implausible, that the Zodiac used a projector on this occasion. I loaned them everything I had because I believed they were going to do it right. That book ends in 1983. FACT CHECK: None of the many witnesses who reportedly saw the Zodiac had ever described the suspect as "balding." EDIT: Changed my wording -- I made it sound like the movie definitively implicated Allen as the Zodiac, instead of merely suggesting that he was the likeliest suspect. If the list did exist, the evidence indicates that this list was produced years after Darlene's murder. He gave three interviewss with police and a public defender, then vanished from Vallejo after dying his hair and becoming a street person. Near the end of the film, Michael Mageau points at his photo from an identification slideshow, but the police were unable finish his case since he passed away. In truth, Avery never wrote such a letter. Zodiac needed a T-square, lighttable, triangle and other drafting tools to draw that. Robert Graysmith: Zodiac as a film had to be of its time. I waited until 2002 to do the follow up. FACT CHECK: In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith presented his proposed solution to the Zodiac's unsolved 340 symbol cipher. After several Zodiac letters had arrived at the offices of The San Francisco Chronicle, the newspaper staff was instructed that touching the letters and envelopes could damage fingerprint evidence and they were asked to not to handle the letters. Graysmith claimed that Allen asked friends to lick and seal his stamps and envelopes, stating that Allen would sometimes mail unsealed letters inside envelopes that he had sent to these friends. Robert Graysmith: I spent three years editing Zodiac, after 13 drafts of 1200 pages to 317, to be certain we were on safe legal grounds. Just kidding. Graysmith was clearly suggesting that the death of Allen's father in 1966 had somehow inspired Allen to commit murder, despite the fact that Allen's father had died in 1971-- almost two years after the Zodiac's last confirmed murder. I located witnesses at Berryessa who identified Allen as being at the lake that day--the son of the now deceased dentist and one of the college women. Arthur Leigh Allen: Chloë Sevigny Melanie: Bob Stephenson Zodiac 3: John Getz Templeton Peck: John Lacy Zodiac 4: John Terry Charles Theiriot: Candy Clark Carol Fisher: Elias Koteas Sgt. While Graysmith did change "some dates" in his first book, more often that not he did so in order to make his suspect appear guilty. Graysmith's claims regarding the equipment necessary to produce the Zodiac's code are simply his opinion posing as fact-- the Zodiac did not require such equipment to produce the code, although he may have used such equipment to do so. Have they done any other DNA testing? According to Mageau, the shooter approached the car carrying a bright light and Mageau was then shot in the jaw and other areas of his body. Several people allegedly named on that list, including Dean Ferrin's brother, Arthur Leigh Allen's brother Ron, and others have denied that they ever attended such a party. There was a suspicious character named Bob Vaughn in the movie "Zodiac". They most certainly have crossed wiring in dealing with love and violence. I'm in San Francisco working out of the same studio where I wrote Zodiac over a ten year period back in the 1970s and early 1980s. My job was to keep the case alive, to make it vivid and to make certain that someone reading the book might have the answer to the puzzle. The story of the painting party, the mysterious stranger who allegedly stalked Darlene Ferrin, and the majority of the stories told by Pam and Linda have been debunked and refuted by Darlene's husband Dean and other members of their family. Graysmith's false claims regarding "records" which proved that Allen was at the lake are reminiscent of Graysmith's early attempts to place Allen near this crime scene with false claims that Allen was stopped near Lake Berryessa on the day in question and given a ticket for speeding. Paul Avery was healthy and gainfully employed in the late 1970s, and, he was still employed and in good health when interviewed for a television program in 1989. When Detective Bawart went into his basement in 1991 he found Allen's tapes of children screaming. Arthur Leigh Allen Born: December 18, 1933 Birthplace: Honolulu, Hawaii Death: August 26, 1992, Vallejo, California, USA (kidney failure from diabetes) I like killing people because it is so much fun. In fact, Avery did not require the use of oxygen until the late 1990s. And they show the name written as Leigh on a piece of identification. Yes all the top ten suspects have been applied to the codes. FACT CHECK: Graysmith's claims are once again untrue. I was wondering why the sister of his victim was never shown a picture of Leigh? Robert Graysmith: God bless you. According to the police reports, the investigators and the family of Arthur Leigh Allen, police contacted Allen's brother Ron and his sister-in-law Karen to inform them that Allen was a suspect in the Zodiac case. They could have deleted that whole scene and cut to Graysmith visiting Darlene's sister in prison. Graysmith states that he is glad to have left the case behind but, at the same time, every word he utters proves that he has been consistently obsessed with the case, writing two books in less than 7 years. According to Bawart's report for the Vallejo Police Department, Mageau was asked to assess the certainty of his identification of Allen on a scale of 1 to 10, and Mageau replied that his level of certainty was an 8. It looked kinda greasy." Bob Vaughn was never a suspect in the Zodiac case and no evidence has ever been presented to implicate him in the crimes or to indicate that he wrote the Zodiac letters. Leigh Allen was on a typewritten guest list of I think 14 people that the police hand. The best detectives I know consider him the main suspect. You don't need more files." I can't speak for the filmmakers who worked with the original officers and with the surviving victims and witnesses to make the best film possible. In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith claimed the suspected Zodiac letter of 1978 was authentic, and he presented an elaborate, though seriously flawed, theory to support this claim. It will suck you in. I received letters from health care workers who had crossed his path briefly and heard he was having a tough time. Later he discovered that they belonged to a woman passenger from earlier in the day." Robert Graysmith: That is a terrific question and the first most people ask about the case. In truth, FBI code experts and many others had concluded that Graysmith's solution was not valid, as documented in the FBI files pertaining to the Zodiac investigation. https://vocal.media/criminal/the-zodiac-killer-famous-suspects Graysmith claimed that he had "changed some dates and the names of the three suspects" in his first book. FACT CHECK: Graysmith is once again distorting the facts and misleading the public. Robert is convinced that this is Arthur Leigh Allen, and quickly rushes to Toschi's place in the middle of the night to tell him, and the former homicide detective finally relents for a meeting. Graysmith claims that a task force would be formed today, yet he ignores the fact that a task-force was essentially created at the time of the original investigation. If Graysmith has identified another man as that Lee, then he has debunked his own theory and proved that Allen was not the Lee who was friends with Zodiac victim Darlene Ferrin. Despite Graysmith's repeated claims to the contrary, no credible evidence exists that Allen knew ANY of the Zodiac victims or that he was ever near or at any of the Zodiac crime scenes. According to Graysmith, the Zodiac used handwriting samples obtained from several different people and an enlarger/projector in order to fabricate his handwriting style. I though at first that Zodiac might be two men. Graysmith's claims to the contrary are not only false but born of his need to explain how police had failed to arrest his suspect when so much seemingly damning evidence implicated Allen. FACT CHECK: Graysmith never mentioned this "Leigh" in his books and he had never identified this man. # 13 - Washington, D.C.: Do you think the unsolved cryptograms mean anything? Later he discovered that they belonged to a woman passenger from earlier in the day." FACT CHECK: Graysmith has repeatedly mentioned the map of Lake Berryessa allegedly found during the research for the film ZODIAC but no one has ever confirmed its existence or discovery. Graysmith's description matches his suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, and not the man seen by witnesses in the Zodiac case. FACT CHECK: The film ZODIAC presented a distorted and largely fictionalized portrayal of Paul Avery. Melanie Ed Setrakian. Graysmith states that the copycat killer in New York appeared "long after" he had published his first book. I turned this over to David Fincher while he was conducting his own private investigation. During one interview, Graysmith admitted that no evidence would ever deter his belief that Allen was the Zodiac. Page 90 of ZODIAC features a curious passage in which Graysmith described the evidence discovered in a cab where the Zodiac had shot and killed the driver. According to Mageau, the shooter approached the car carrying a bright light and Mageau was then shot in the jaw and other areas of his body. This description was subsequently adjusted for the SFPD composite sketch which published this description: WMA 35-45 years old, 5'8" Reddish brown hair, Crewcut, Heavy Rim Glasses, Navy blue or black jacket. His parole officer also told me the story. Robert Graysmith: Yes, there are palm prints and the partials on Stine's cab that don't match anybody. On October 6, 1969, just months after the shooting at Blue Rock Springs Park, Allen was interviewed by a Vallejo detective who described the suspect as "6'1", 241 (lbs), heavy build and is bald." I guess since handwriting cleared so many back then, they were not viable suspects by the time they got around to asking. Surviving victim Michael Mageau described the suspect at the Blue Rock Springs Park shooting as a "WMA, short, possible 5'8', was real heavy set, beefy build... not blubbery fat, but real beefy, possibly 195 to 200 [lbs] or maybe even larger... short curly hair, light brown almost blond... with a large face." Graysmith states that the copycat killer in New York appeared "long after" he had published his first book. In 1983, columnist Herb Caen wrote an article stating that Graysmith's book, then titled THIS IS THE ZODIAC SPEAKING, would be published by St. Martin's Press and available in the fall of that year. Allen first came to the attention of the San Francisco Police Department in the summer of 1971. He also pointed to the picture of another man in the photo lineup and stated that the face of that individual was similar to the face of the Zodiac. Police also found articles about Mel Belli and the Zodiac case. 219). He visited Dave in San Francisco and came back as him. The facts demonstrate that Sherwood Morrill never endorsed Graysmith's opinions and theories about the Zodiac letters and writing and that he instead held opinions which directly contradicted Graysmith's. Photographs of evidence on display in the offices of the San Francisco Police Department appear to show these gloves stored in a plastic bag. The book was not widely available then so that was not why they became copycats. Mageau himself admitted that he never got a good look at the shooter and had only seen the man briefly in a "profile view." They were soaked with blood but were too small for a man. Size seven, same as we found in the cab. Jack Mulanax; Ken Narlow; Bryan Hartnell; Zodiac 1 & 2; Captain Marty Lee; Bob Vaughn; Cecilia Shepard FACT CHECK: The handwriting experts which Fincher consulted did not conclude that Allen wrote the Zodiac letters, so Graysmith's distortion is just another instance in which he twists the facts to make his suspect seem guilty. Graysmith has repeatedly claimed that eyewitnesses had identified Allen. My best friend, Inspector Dave Toschi who lives nearby, and I have been going over that for nearly thirty years. "I gave Mageau the lineup admonishment," Bawart told me. According to Graysmith's scenario, Allen (as the Zodiac) wrote a Zodiac letter which was addressed to a local newspaper and written in Zodiac-like writing. The only evidence which could be cited to support such claims would be Michael Mageau's highly questionable identification of Allen as the Zodiac shooter (an identification which was not endorsed by the Vallejo police department), and, Don Cheney's claim that he had once accompanied Allen to the restaurant where a Zodiac victim worked as a waitress. I could see his hair. Until his death, Morrill stated that he was certain the Zodiac used his normal handwriting when writing the letters and the expert was unwavering in his belief that he could identify the killer using little more than a bank deposit slip. To learn more, read the article titled The Zodiac/Manson ConspiraZ. During one interview, Graysmith admitted that no evidence would ever deter his belief that Allen was the Zodiac. It was not until 1991 when Vallejo Det. This is why it is such a great mystery. When you are in the grip of it you don't know. Vallejo PD has just sent three letters to Sacramento for testing. I respect their opinion. Once again, Graysmith is attempting to mislead readers by suggesting that handling the letters could somehow insert DNA and genetic material underneath the stamps and sealed areas of the envelopes. The visual and arcane aspects of the Zodiac appeal to a certain type of mind. Graysmith claims that he "worked with Sherwood Morrill" when, in fact, Graysmith claimed that he had consulted with Morrill after his retirement from the California Department of Justice. It was funny and sarcastic and added much to Avery's character. Robert Graysmith: I did like a scene I watched filmed in front of the Chronicle with Avery sleeping his car. While George Bawart and Vallejo Police Captain Roy Conway described Mageau's identification as "positive," the Vallejo Police Department did not consider the identification to be valid. How he knew I had been a boy scout in Tachikawa, Japan I don't know, but it's in the movie. 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